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  Content	Unlock stock picks and a broker-level newsfeed that powers Wall Street. Upgrade Now Q4 2024 Emergent BioSolutions Inc Earnings Call Thomson Reuters StreetEvents Tue, Mar 4, 2025, 6:59 AM 28 min read In This Article: EBS -6.44% Participants Frank Vargo; Assistant Treasurer; Emergent BioSolutions Inc Joseph Papa; President, Chief Executive Officer; Emergent BioSolutions Inc Richard Lindahl; Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President, Treasurer; Emergent BioSolutions Inc Jessica Fye; Analyst; J.P. Morgan Brandon Folkes; Analyst; Rodman & Renshaw Raghuram Selvaraju; Analyst; H.C. Wainwright & CO Presentation Operator Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Merchant buyer Solutions Inc. fourth quarter 2024 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) you will then hear an automatic message advising your hand is raised. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. I would like to send the call over to Frank Vargo, Assistant Treasurer. Please go ahead. Frank Vargo Good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining today as Emergen discusses their operational and financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2024. As is customary, today's call is open to all participants, and the call is being recorded and is copyrighted by Emergen BIOS Solutions. In addition to today's press release, there's a series of slides accompanying this webcast available to all webcast participants. Turning the slide 2. During today's call, a merchant may make projections and other forward-looking statements related to their business, future events, their prospects, or future performance. These forward-looking statements are based on their current intentions, beliefs, and expectations regarding future events. Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date of this conference call, and as except as required by law, Emergen does not undertake to update any forward-looking statement to reflect new information, events, or circumstances. Investors should consider this cautionary statement as well as the risk factors identified in emergency periodic reports filed with the FCC when evaluating their forward-looking statements. During today's call, Emergent may also discuss certain non-gap financial measures that involve adjustments to GAAP figures in order to provide greater transparency regarding emergence operating performance. Please refer to the tables found in today's press release. Turning to slide 3, the agenda for today's call will include Joe Papa, President and Chief Executive Officer, who will comment on our multi-year transformation progress. And Rich Lindahl, EVP and Chief Financial Officer, who will speak to the financials for the fourth quarter and full year of 2024, as well as provide full year guidance for 2025. Joe Papa will conclude by discussing the 2025 business outlook and key growth drivers followed by Q&A. Finally, for the benefit of those who may be listening to the replay of this webcast, this call was held and recorded on March 3, 2025. Since then, Emergen may have made announcements related to topics discussed during today's call. And with that, I would now like to turn the call over to Joe Papa for opening remarks. Joe. Story Continues Joseph Papa Thank you, Frank. Hello everyone and thank you for joining us to discuss our fourth quarter in full year 2024 earnings. I'm joined today by Rich Linda, our Chief Financial Officer. I'm pleased to be here today to share with you updates on our business, including our contributions to protecting public health, as well as the opportunities in front of us. Following my opening remarks, Rich will detail our fourth quarter in full year 2024 results, as well as provide 2025 full year guidance. I will close the call with a discussion of our business outlook and our path forward into 2025 as we look ahead to continue the significant progress on our turnaround efforts. Then we'll open up the call for Q&A. I'll now begin on slide 5. I joined Emergent and this leadership team one year ago to turn around the business and focus on our company's mission to protect and save lives. For more than 25 years, Emergent has responded with solutions to complex and urgent public health threats with preparedness efforts and active responses. However, the company needed to reduce its debt, improve profitability, and pursue future growth in a rapidly evolving landscape. Turn to slide 6, our team immediately went to work developing and implementing a multi-year transformational plan to stabilize, turn around, and ultimately transform the emerging business. Executing on this plan required making difficult but necessary decisions, including divesting sites and assets to improve our profitability. Through the great efforts of the entire team, we completed our first phases of plan, the stabilization phase, marked by a reduction in debt, a stronger balance sheet, and a renewed focus on our mission. We are delighted to have completed this first phase ahead of schedule. In 2025, we'd be executing our turnaround phase and transforming the company to generate long-term profitable growth. On slide 7, we highlight our important accomplishments as we reported fiscal year 2023 results last year. In 2024, we dramatically improved our financial position. This we believe gives us operating flexibility and the ability to focus on driving growth. Among those key actions, we delivered on our plan to stabilize the company and secure commitments, including reducing net debt, refinancing, and extending the debt maturity to 2029. We improved profitability and operating cash flow. We strategically divested assets and streamlined our site network while meeting internal product delivery commitments for customers and significantly improving operating margins. We reduced operating expenditures by $130 million while delivering on our core product commitments. We refocused our core business segments to medical countermeasures and Narcia nasal spray. Of note, we have continued to combat the opioid epidemic with Narcan nasal spray, and in 2024 we distributed 11 million 2 dose cartons or 22 million doses across the US and Canada. We continue to be the market leader in a growing naloxone nasal spray market. We've been on the frontline supporting public health preparedness with the US and other allied government customers to address threats like anthrax, smallpox, Mpox, and bottulu and secured $550 million in MCM. Contract awards. And lastly, we resolved legacy, legal and quality issues and improved our quality and compliance systems company-wide. I want to underscore that we treat critical stabilization priority while ensuring the highest standards of patient safety, quality, and compliance. Progressing to slide 8, our success in 2024 allows us to focus on the following five key critical areas and goals for our 2025 plan. Strong profit follow through from 204 with a focus on higher net income, increased growth margin percentage, and an increased adjusted EEA margin percentage, operating cash flow growth versus 2024 and strong positive free cash flow. Rebuilding our product pipeline, our CMO and head of R&D, Dr. Simon Lowery, will be driving driving these efforts. Further optimization of manufacturing operations and partnership, potentially taking additional steps to streamline our manufacturing footprint. And lastly, strategic capital deployments for opportunistic growth through business development. These will be the right size investments that we see clear value. The potential to harness our expertise and capabilities similar to our clos auto business development transaction. Before hands rich, I went for a more detailed financial review. I'd like to set the stage for our 2025 guidance. We view guidance as a commitment to our stakeholders. Heading into 2025, we believe there are dynamics and factors that lead us to take a more conservative approach to guidance. The onboarding of a new administration may cost shifts in the timing of product delivery or may cause uncertainty due to staff transitions. Over the course of more than 25 years serving and partnering with government customers, we are very familiar with adapting to these shifts. Our products are mission critical, a belief and an understanding we believe have been shared by many administrations and today enjoy bipartisan support for the importance of biodefense and decreasing opioid overdose deaths. Notwithstanding our conservative full year guidance, we believe we will have a strong first quarter. As standard practice, we plan to update our guidance every quarter as we have in the past years. Following Rich's comments, I'll spend some time elaborating on these areas. I'll now hand the call over to Rich. Richard Lindahl Thank you, Joe. Good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining the call. Over the course of 2024, we made significant progress stabilizing the financial foundation of the business and have moved into the turnaround phase of our multi-year transformational plan. Our unique set of medical countermeasure and opioid overdose reversal products provides life saving capabilities to people around the world, drives sustainable revenue over time, and garners bipartisan support. And we believe the actions we have taken over the past 2 years have brought us to an inflection point in profitability and cash flow that will enable us to identify and pursue value creating growth opportunities as we move forward from here. Joe will have more to say about our vision after I run through the numbers. Our fourth quarter results were broadly in line with the guidance we provided on our 3rd quarter call. Our key financial metrics are summarized on slide 10. Total revenues of $195 million down versus the prior year as lower Narcan sales and anthrax sales timing were partially offset by higher smallpox sales. Adjusted EBITDA of $21 million an increase of $18 million versus the prior year. Total segment, adjusted gross margin of 40% improved 800 basis points year over year as a result of product mix, as well as an improved cost structure stemming from our previously announced restructuring efforts. And a total reduction of $49 million or 41% in operating expenses across R&D and SGNA versus the prior year. Of note, these expense levels now represent a dollar run rate that incorporates the full impact of our cost savings efforts. Transitioning to slide 11 in our strong full year results, total revenues were $1.04 billion roughly flat versus the prior year. Total adjusted EIA of $183 million which is a $205 million positive swing versus the negative $22 million in 2023. Total adjusted gross margin of $457 million an annual improvement of $121 million or 1,200 basis points as a percentage of revenue. Full year operating expense of $379 million was down $101 million or 21% year over year, with reductions in both R&D and SGNA driven by the cost actions taken in the second half of 2024. Moving to slide 12, our full year revenue highlights were total product sales of $909 million a slight decline versus the prior year as increased smallpox revenue from both the US government and international customers was offset by lower Narcan sales and the timing of anthrax sales. Within Narcan, we continue to remain competitive on price and focused on our competitive advantages, including our brand recognition, market leading distribution capabilities, and customer service. Full year volume was strong, with 2024 levels consistent with 2023. The price is lower compared to 2023 but has stabilized in the back half of 2024. Total bioservices revenue of $105 million represents an improvement year over year of $26 million driven by the $50 million one-time settlement agreement with Jansen. And finally, contract and grant revenue was $30 million for 2024, primarily from the continued US government funding of the Ubanga program for treatment of Ebola. On slide 13, we recap the material achievements that we accomplished ahead of expectations in 2024. We completed $117 million of asset sales and received a $50 million payment from Jansen Pharmaceuticals as a result of the confidential settlement agreement. We improved the overall cost structure with actions producing $130 million of annualized savings in 2024. This brings the total operating expense savings to a quarter billion dollars over the last two years while maintaining capabilities across our core product portfolio. We also received $30 million in development milestone payments from Bavarian Nordic. These key liquidity enhancements supported the refinancing of our prior secured credit facility as we entered into a new $250 million term loan from Oak Hill Advisors, extending the maturity of our debt to August 2029. And we closed a $100 million asset-backed revolving credit facility led by Wells Fargo, also maturing in 2029. On slide 14, we highlight the significant improvements to our financial metrics. At the end of 2024, we had total liquidity of $200 million comprised of $100 million of cash and $100 million of undrawn revolver capacity. This outcome was aided by generating $59 million of operating cash flow, an improvement of $265 million year over year. As a result of refinancing our debt and the improved cash position, net debt at year end was $601 million a $156 million dollar or 21% reduction since the beginning of 2024. This outcome, coupled with the strong performance in the business, materially lowered our net leverage to 3.3 times adjusted Eat. The credit rating agencies have also recognized the improved financial position of the company. Moody's and S&P both upgraded our corporate family credit rating to B3 and respectively, with stable outlooks. I will also note that the prior going concern qualification has been removed from the audit opinion and financial disclosures that will be in our 10K filing. Transitioning to slide 15, it's important to note, it's important to point out that total 2024 revenue of $1.04 billion includes approximately $115 million that is no longer in the base as we begin 2025. First, the Jansen settlement agreement resulted in recognition of $50 million of revenue in our bioservices business. And RSDL and Camden combined generated approximately $65 million of revenue prior to their divestiture in the third quarter of 2024. Accordingly, as a starting point for 2025, the normalized 2024 revenue was roughly $930 million. With that backdrop, please turn to slide 16 for full year 2025 guidance. Our total revenue guidance for 25 is $750 million to $850 million. As a reminder, Joe noted that we are being conservative due to the transitions anticipated in the new administration. We are forecasting 2025 adjusted EIA of $150 to $200 million. The midpoint is approximately consistent with 2024 full year results, even in light of the lower revenue guidance. This highlights our significant efforts to improve the go-forward cost structure and profitability of the business. We believe that this year may represent a trough and adjusted EBITDA going forward as we expect to grow our profitability from here. We're also anticipating a return to positive bottom line earnings. We forecast a range of net income from $16 million to $66 million and a range of adjusted net income from $20 million to $70 million. For the full year of 2025, we're forecasting total segment adjusted gross margin of 48 to 51%, roughly a 500 basis point expansion at the midpoint versus 2024 results, aided by our leaner and more focused manufacturing footprint. Moving to segment level revenue guidance, we're forecasting MCM product sales of $435 to $485 million across US government and international orders, and we estimate a range of $265 to $315 million in our commercial products, which includes both Narcan and Cloada. As part of this guidance, we expect Narcan to continue to maintain a leading market share of the growing total addressable naloxone nasal spray market. And for the first quarter of 2025, we're forecasting a total revenue range of $200 to $240 million which is a strong and healthy start to the year. In closing on slide 17, we've entered the turnaround phase of our multi-year plan ahead of schedule. We are anticipating strong profit follow through from 2024, even with lower top line revenue, which we are focused on improving from here. Our guidance therefore implies a very strong margin improvement story which in combination with our expectations for continued positive operating cash flow and anticipated Bavarian Nordic milestone payments in 2025. Positions us to capitalize on growth opportunities for the business as we move forward. For more on that, I'll now turn the call back over to. Joseph Papa Joe. Thank you, Rich. Turning to slide 19, I'd like to provide context around the financials and our business outlook for 2025. Our mission to protect and save lives from opioid overdose is evident in the work we do to increase access, awareness, and the availability of over the counter Narcan. Narcan remains the market leader amongst intranasal nalexone products with an approximately 75% share of the market. We believe our continuous leadership and work to expand OTC access to Narcan is a key contributor to the declining national rate of opioid overdose deaths recently reported by the CDC. But while this preliminary data points to the first meaningful decline in opioid overdose deaths in years. We are still seeing the devastating effects of opioid overdose. Tragically, rates of opioid overdose remain high in Canada, especially in British Columbia, Ontario, Alberta, and the indigenous communities. In the US, the public interest channel is backed by over $50 billion in opioid. Settlement funds from large pharma companies that are expected to flow through over the next 10 to 15 years and another $3.5 billion in federal grants supporting naloxone access in 2025. This funding remains critical as there are still an unacceptable number of opioid overdoses and deaths caused by fentanyl. I'd like to review the critical elements that underpin our Narcan franchise as we work to continue reducing opioid overdose deaths in 2025. The Narcan nasal spray value drivers continue to support a differentiated and competitive price point for our customers. We expect to maintain market share leadership and anticipate the total naloxone in market unit volume will grow by mid to mid to high single digit rates. We are expanding reaching to businesses, and one important aspect of this work is our commercial engagement with the National Safety Council. We are starting to make headway in several major companies that are prioritizing first aid safety kits with OTC Narcan. Our hope is that someday every first aid kit in the US and Canada will include a box of Narcan nasal spray. We built a national logistics Network, Narcan Direct, which serves 18,000 different endpoints for public interest customers. This program allows them to get the product volumes that they need when they need it. We believe today that no other company has the capability and no one can match our Narcan nasal spray production capacity. As we announced in January, we secured commercial rights for product sales and marketing in the US and Canada to loyal nasal spray from HICA. This additional solution helped expand emerging ability to distribute multiple life saving opioid overdose emergency treatments to patients, customers, and communities in need. In summary, we believe Narcan is the standard of care and plays an important role in reducing the number of overdoses that result in death. And given emergent's proven track record of supplying Narcan nasal spray to states, first responders, law enforcement, community groups, and other organizations, adding loxo of nasal spray provides customers with the flexibility to tailor their treatment for specific patients. Moving slide 20 our MCM business, it's worth noting. We're continuing to provide essential biodefense services for an increasingly dangerous world that we live in where bioterrorist threats are constant and at the same time ever changing. The four key priority threats for the administration for strategic preparedness and response are anthrax, smallpox, Ebola, and botulism, and they are aligned to the key focal points of our MCM portfolio. We believe biodefense portfolio is well positioned with visibility into future procurements based on our long-term contracts. As a reminder, we received $550 million in biodefense contract modifications in 2024. It is also important to note that the Department of Defense has a mandatory funding allocation for Biore, which is a pre and post-exposure anthrax vaccine from military personnel. We see opportunities for to continue playing an active part in addressing the ongoing Mpox outbreak with AGM 2000. We're also enthusiastic about the potential of our other MCM products, including Tamexa and Ivana, and their ability to contribute to future growth. We have a US government funding committed through 2027 for Timexa which further demonstrates our MCM assets are important for biodefense. Moving to slide 21 with respect to important catalysts to enable growth in 2025, we are looking forward to the ACCA 2000 emergency use listing with the World Health Organization as the MPO public health outbreak continues to evolve. We remain focused on revenue diversification within our existing businesses and improving on our core capabilities to drive revenue growth. This includes opportunities to drive growth such as the anticipated incremental revenue to be generated by Clo Auto nasal spray. At the same time, we will be looking internationally for growth opportunities across our product board's portfolio. I'd like to note that we're also anticipating $50 million of barbarian Nordic chikungunya vaccine approval milestone payments starting in the next 30 days. As we execute on our 2025 turnaround initiatives, we will strive for the highest standard for quality, ethics, and compliance. In closing, for all the reasons we have discussed, we believe Emergent is poised for a significant turnaround opportunity that we believe will lead to profitable and sustained growth. With that, I look forward to taking your questions, oper, if you could open the line to your questions, please. Question and Answer Session Operator (Operator Instructions) Jessica Fye from J.P. Morgan Jessica Fye Hey, this is Nick calling for Jess. Thanks for taking your questions. First, on your Narcan guidance, can you just provide a bit more specifics on the underlying assumptions around maybe volume and price? I think you say that you expect growth for the overall naloxone market and while you expect to maintain a leading share in that market, can you just comment on how that's broken down in the pit market versus other channels, just how much share you expect in 2025 relative to 2024, and any guidance on maybe additional additional pricing pressure in that market. Joseph Papa Sure, trying to take the first part of it and and go out to fill in some other parts of it. Richard Lindahl Okay. All right, thanks, Nick, appreciate the question. So we've talked about on our last call how the pricing in the first half versus the second half was differential, but that we had seen stabilization in the pricing in the second half. We've broadly seen that continue as we've come into this year. Having said that, we do expect there to be a follow through impact of that reduction in pricing that we saw in the second half to impact the full year results. I would say that is the biggest driver of the guidance as we go forward into 2025. We have put a fairly wide range to reflect, a range of outcomes. We think it's a fairly conservative range, and we'll certainly update that as we go through the year. We do continue to anticipate that we'll maintain a very strong and certainly majority market share of the market as we go forward, and I think that's those are the comments that we'll make at this point. Joseph Papa Sure, maybe just yeah yes one of the point public interest, I think is about 75% of our total business, I think was one of the questions you had inserted in there as well, but I think Rich answered everything else. Jessica Fye Great. And then, maybe on, oh yeah, just one more, you guys are guiding to Justin E it done in 2025 it's, roughly flat year every year at the midpoint. I know you kind of commented on 2025 guidance you're kind of representing a trough, but how are you thinking about it evolving maybe in 2026 plus on a magnitude basis and how sensitive is that to the narc Narcan dynamics that you're saying? Joseph Papa Yeah, well, I think one of the great things we're doing now as we think about the businesses where we have a diversified business where we've got a number of different assets, obviously with medical countermeasures in Narcin and now Clo Auto, and as I think Rich mentioned, I mentioned that we continue to look to do some additional business development opportunities in. 2025 and beyond, so I think it's really those all those that will contribute to the overall growth, there are opportunities for growth in our adjusted E but obviously we're not going to say anything specifically about the 2026 yet, but I think it's going to be the diversification of our portfolio, the additional organic opportunities we have with what we're doing with Tembexa, what we are. Doing with the Ivana for Ebola, what we're doing for the MOX opportunity, we did not build empox into our 2025 guidance at this time, but we obviously are looking to continue to extend that that for that would be an upside for us if we're fortunate enough to get that business. So those are all the things that we think will help drive the internal opportunities for 26, obviously and the. External or business development side we've got certainly Clockado what and then what other types of business development deals we can do for the future with other companies that are either working in the area of the biodefense medical countermeasures or companies that are working with products for first responders. Those will be the two main avenues which we will pursue for additional business development, but that would be probably the main things I'd add to the 2026 question. Great thank you what's the next question please. Operator Brandon Folkes from Rodman & Renshaw. Brandon Folkes Hi, thanks for taking my questions and I appreciate all the color. Sorry to stick on the 2026 theme here, but I think it's just important. Can you just talk about sort of the SGNA ops, sorry, not SGA, but the broader OpEx footprint in your guidance for 2025. How do you think about that sort of beyond 2025? Richard Lindahl Yeah, I think, as I commented on the call, I think as we came out of the fourth quarter we've got the full benefit of the actions that we've taken in the run rate for the fourth quarter. I think we'll stay focused on continuing to scale the SGNA footprint along with the business as we grow revenue. So I think that, there will be opportunities for us to look for additional efficiency improvements on SGNA. Joseph Papa And I&I think you're seeing that and what Rich was saying, but you look at what's happening with everything from a gross adjusted growth margin, just overall margins that we're expecting when you do like an operating reduction. So I think all those are packaged together as how we're looking at, the expenses we've been taking out of the business in 23 and 24 and now we're seeing the full year benefit of it in 25. Brandon Folkes Great, thanks and maybe just coming back to Closada, I hope I said that correctly. How are you going to position that relative to Nark and I know you mentioned sort of, now that you own it some, there are some users of it. I can see obviously plugging into your distribution. System, but do you expect to grow luxado by sort of positioning it in any way or really being a distribution driven growth story? Joseph Papa First and foremost, when we acquired Quado, we made the comment that we think Quado is a great opportunity to leverage the platform we have today, for example, with Narcan direct programs, we'll make it easier for first responders to get. Access to the product by by making it work through our Narcan direct distribution capability. So, first and foremost, we think it's going to be easier to do business as we put together Closada with Narcan into our distribution capabilities. 2, I think as and people you read in the news, there are increasing numbers of fentanyl overdose or fentanyl is causing an increased percentage of the overdoses out there. We think cloxo may be appropriate for some of those increased fentanyl dosages that are out there in the marketplace and, we want to make sure that if needed. We have lox Auto if needed, we have a standard of care with Narcan. Either way the first responder goes, we think we have the capability to make it easier for them to get what they need for their for the patients and the individuals they're out there treating. So look to us to really just leverage our current distribution and capability with our sales force and put our, one more. Product in in their hands to help help all of our customers with it. So that's the primary way we'll do it. Average individual first responders is always going to have to make the judgment as to whether or not they need a 4 mg or an 8 mg. We believe that 4 mg is the standard of cure, but there is an increasing need for 8 mg, and we're glad to have that capability now with the clock out transaction. Great, thank you very much. Thank you. Operator, next question please. Operator Raghuram Selvaraju from H.C. Wainwright & CO Raghuram Selvaraju Hi, this is Eduardo on for Ramm, from HC Wainwright. I guess I was, guess we're talking about Quato. I wanted to ask, just confirming that it's already available within the Narcan direct system, and if not, when do you expect that to happen? Joseph Papa Yeah, so we announced the transaction in January, and now we're working through all the logistics there currently obviously HMO has some product in the system already, so we're working through all the logistics now, and we expect to have it in the next 30 to 60 days is when we'll have it going. You are ordering capabilities, you obviously want to make it easy for the first responders for them to order it to work through our system. So we're working through all those details to ensure that it's easier for the first responders to get the product and and make it a value add for them, not make it a difficult process. So, let us have more to say about that in the next 30 to 60 days. Raghuram Selvaraju Got it. That's really helpful. And I guess pivoting towards MOx. Urious if the Mosa trial is still on track for its first interim analysis during the end of this first quarter. Joseph Papa So what we're doing with MOX is we're working with the World Health Organization specifically to get the emergency use label. We expect to hear more from them sometime in the near future, obviously as we go through changes in administration. Changes in policy we're we're working through all the questions there, but what does have more to say about that specifically as we get feedback from the World Health Organization, specific to con additional clinical trial work we're doing that clinical trial work. Especially with Texa and with you know looking to get additional data on our ATM product but that that's not something specifically that we're going to talk too much about right now, but we do have additional clinical trials under work in the small underway in the smallpox area. Raghuram Selvaraju Understood thanks and I guess one last one regarding, other MCM. Do you have any or do you expect any further near term contract adjustments or option exercises under procurement orders for the bio defense products? And if so, which ones? Richard Lindahl Yeah, this is rich, Eduardo. I think what you should expect is that, the kind of the pattern that was followed in 2024 is a good marker for what is likely to happen in 2025. The timing of specific option exercises could shift from one quarter to another, but broadly speaking, we expect that the US government is going to continue to execute against those those contracts and issue us procurement orders as we go through the year. Joseph Papa And the only thing I'd add to what Rich says is once again he said in his own comments during the call, but I think we expect a strong first quarter as a result of the activities we had in 2024 and just really the momentum we had exiting in 2024 is going to allow us to have a very strong first quarter, which we obviously think is a great way to start the new year. Raghuram Selvaraju Great thanks so much for the clarity. Operator Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I will not send a call back over to you Mr. Joe Poppa or any closing remarks. Joseph Papa Thank you, Alberta. Thank you everyone for joining us, ladies and gentlemen. We appreciate everyone's attention to our earnings call today. Thank you for your participation. Please note that our updated version of today's webcast, as well as PDF version of our slides used today, will be available on our website accessible through the investors landing page on the company website. Thank you again for joining us. We look forward to speaking with all of you in the near future. Have a great day. Operator This can go today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect. View Comments Terms and Privacy Policy Your Privacy Choices More Info Recommended Stories
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