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  Content	Unlock stock picks and a broker-level newsfeed that powers Wall Street. Upgrade Now Q4 2024 Janus International Group Inc Earnings Call Thomson Reuters StreetEvents Wed, Feb 26, 2025, 11:38 PM 22 min read In This Article: JBI -4.74% Participants Sara Macioch; Director of Investor Relations; Janus International Group Inc Ramey Jackson; Chief Executive Officer, Executive Director; Janus International Group LLC Anselm Wong; Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President; Janus International Group Inc David Tarantino; Analyst; KeyBanc Capital Markets Daniel Moore; Analyst; CJS Securities John Lovallo; Analyst; UBS Philip Ng; Analyst; Jefferies Presentation Operator Hello and welcome to the Janus International fourth-quarter and full-year 2024 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would like to now turn the call over to your host, Ms. Sara Macioch, Senior Director of Investor Relations for Janus. Thank you. You may begin, Ms. Macioch. Sara Macioch Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining our earnings conference call. I am joined today by our Chief Executive Officer, Ramey Jackson; and our Chief Financial Officer, Anselm Wong. We hope that you have seen our earnings release issued this morning. We have also posted a presentation in support of this call, which can be found in the investors section of our website at janusintl.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that today's call includes forward-looking statements. Any statements made describing our beliefs, plans, expectations, projections, and assumptions are forward-looking statements. The company's actual results may differ from those anticipated by such forward-looking statements for a variety of reasons, many of which are beyond our control. Please see our recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which identify the principal risks and uncertainties that could affect our business, prospects, and future results. We assume no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements, and any forward-looking statement made by us during this call is based only on information currently available to us and speaks only as of the date when it was made. We will be discussing or providing certain non-GAAP financial measures today including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted net income, and adjusted EPS. Please see our release and filings for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measure. On today's call, Ramey will provide an overview of our business. Anselm will continue with a discussion of our financial results and introduce our 2025 guidance before Ramey shares some closing thoughts, and we open up the call for your questions. At this point, I will turn the call over to Ramey. Story Continues Ramey Jackson Thank you, Sara. I'd like to kick off my comments today by thanking the entire Janus team for their hard work and professionalism, which has allowed us to showcase the resilience of our business model against a difficult backdrop. 2024 proved to be a challenging year for the business as macroeconomic concerns sustain high interest rates impacting liquidity cause many of our customers to adjust project timing beginning late in the second quarter. Through it all, we have remained focused on what we can control, which is the safety of our employees and the reliability, quality, and service that sets Janus apart with our customers. We had a busy year in 2024 with a number of milestones, new offerings, and expansions of the Janus footprint. On the self-storage side, we introduced both the Nokē Ion an inside-the-door magnetic hardwired smart locking system that is next generation of our Nokē Smart Entry solution, and the NS door series, which includes two new roll-up door solutions engineered to provide a heightened level of safety and security for self-storage facilities. At our [asset] division, we introduced two new high performance door systems engineered for durability, security, and seamless, fast-moving operation. We acquired the assets of TMC, a premier provider of terminal maintenance services and solutions for the LTL trucking industry, primarily in the Southeastern United States, and it's already contributing favorably to our results. Additionally, we opened two new distribution centers, one in Mount Airy, North Carolina, and one in Ontario, Canada. During 2024, we voluntarily paid down $21.9 million of our first lien term loan, then successfully repriced the term loan to SOFR+250, an improvement of 50 basis points. We received upgrades of our credit ratings from both S&P and Moody's and repurchased 7.1 million shares under our $100 million share repurchase program, leaving $21.3 million of authorization remaining at year end. As outlined on our last call, we have taken proactive steps to better align the business with near-term market realities. This includes a structural cost reduction plan that involves streamlining the labor force, rationalizing our real estate holdings, and reducing SG&A expenses. The plan is on track. We have already begun seeing the benefits. We now expect to realize $10 million to $12 million of annual pre-tax cost savings. Anselm will get into the details of the quarter in a moment. But first, I'd like to make a few high-level comments on our full year results. For full-year 2024, on a combined basis, self-storage was down 9.3% as a 5.4% increase in our new construction sales channel was more than offset by the 26.6% decline in R3. While new construction was particularly strong in the first quarter of 2024, the delays that began during the second quarter impacted the full year. R3 continues to be impacted by declines in retail to storage conversion activity as well as delays that have impacted self-storage activity. Commercial and other was off 10.3% for the year. Results reflected weakness in demand for car ports and sheds partially offset by the acquisition of TMC in May. Nokē, our innovative suite of remote access solutions, ended the year at 365,000 installed units, an increase of 32% from 2023. The rollout of Nokē Ion in the early fourth quarter was met with enthusiasm from our customers, and with its unique and flexible customization capabilities and updated pricing structure, we anticipate continued demand for Nokē Ion in 2025 and beyond. Despite a challenging macroeconomic backdrop, we maintain a strong balance sheet with leverage in our target range while also generating outstanding free cash flow conversion to adjusted net income. As a result, we have the balance sheet strength to grow both organically and acquisitively as the market normalizes. As the industry leader in self-storage solutions, we are well positioned to capitalize on opportunities as the macro environment improves and create long-term value for all of our stakeholders in 2025 and beyond. With that, I'll turn the call over to Anselm for a further overview of the fourth-quarter results along with our initial 2025 guidance. Anselm? Anselm Wong Thanks, Ramey, and good morning, everyone. Ramey covered our full-year results at a high level, and I will focus my comments on our fourth-quarter performance, followed by a discussion of our initial 2025 guidance. In the fourth quarter, consolidated revenue of $230.8 million was off 12.5% as compared to the prior year quarter, with declines across all three sales channels. Our Self-Storage business was down 17.3% for the quarter with new construction down 6.2% as we continue to see the impact from delays that began earlier in the year. R3 is off 31.2%, driven by continued declines in retail to storage conversion activity, as well as slowdowns in redevelopment and renovation activity. Our Commercial and Other segments saw 1% decline in the fourth quarter, driven by continued weakness and demand for car ports and sheds, mostly offset by our TMC acquisition. For the quarter, the impact to organic revenues was driven roughly 10% by price and 90% by volume. Fourth-quarter adjusted EBITDA of $34.6 million was off 53.4% compared to the year ago quarter. This represents an adjusted EBITDA margin of 15% compared to 28.2% in the prior year quarter. The decline in profitability is primarily the result of volume decreases. We also had an additional adjustment to our provision for credit losses and an additional warranty reserved in the quarter. Excluding these two adjustments, the fourth-quarter adjusted EBITDA margin was approximately 19%. In the fourth quarter, we produced adjusted net income of $7.7 million or $0.05 compared to the $35.9 million or $0.24 in a year ago period. For the full year, we generate cash from operating activities of $154 million including $51.4 million in the fourth quarter, continuing to demonstrate the robust cash generation profile of the business. For the full year, we generated free cash flow of $133.9 million. This represents a free cash flow conversion of adjusted net income of 163%. We finished the year with $231.3 million of total liquidity, including $149.3 million of cash and [enclosed] on the balance sheet. Our total outstanding debt at the year end was $583.2 million and our net leverage was 2.2 times. The combination of strong liquidity, continued cash generation, and balance sheet strength offers us optionality to pursue M&A targets and continue to execute on our $100 million share repurchase program, which has $21.3 million of remaining authorization. As Ramey mentioned earlier, the structural cost reduction plan we announced on the third-quarter earnings is on track, and we are already seeing benefits. We now estimate the annual pre-tax savings to be in the range of $10 million to $12 million updating from our prior estimate of $8 million to $12 million. We booked $1.1 million in one-time charges during the fourth quarter of 2024 associated with the plan and now expect total one-time charges in the range of $3 million to $4 million compared to a previous estimate of $2 million to $4 million. Now, moving to our 2025 guidance. Full-year 2025 revenue is expected to be in the range of $860 million to $890 million compared to $963.8 million in 2024. We expect the first half of 2025 to be slower than the back half. While growth in new construction has outpaced R3 over the last few years, in 2025, we expect our customers to shift their focus towards R3 projects. As a reminder, the margin profiles for new construction and R3 are similar, so we are agnostic about moves between the two sales channels. We foresee some continuous softness in new construction in 2025, particularly in the first half of the year as we work through customers extending project timelines and a tough comp for the first quarter. The year-over-year decline in top-line revenues reflects the unfavorable impact of previously announced commercial actions. 2025 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of $175 million to $195 million compared to $208.5 million in 2024. At the mid-point, this reflects an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21.1%. Consistent with our expectations for revenue, we expect the first half of 2025 to be softer than the back half for EBITDA and EBITDA margin. As I mentioned earlier, fourth quarter EBITDA was affected by some one-time items. We expect margins to improve sequentially in the first quarter. Cash flow remains robust, and for 2025 we anticipate being near the higher end of the free cash flow conversion of adjusted net income target range of 75% to 100%. Please refer to the presentation we have posted for details on the key planning assumptions for 2025. Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Ramey for his closing remarks. Ramey? Ramey Jackson Thank you again, Anselm. Despite the challenges of 2024, we introduced several new product lines including Nokē Ion and the NS Door Series, and we completed the acquisition of TMC. We also continue to achieve our net leverage and free cash flow conversion to adjusted net income targets, and importantly, our long-term framework remains unchanged. Strong occupancy rates continue to fuel demand, and we believe the long-term fundamentals for self-storage industry are intact. Additionally, we estimate more than 60% of existing self-storage facilities are over 20 years old, which creates the potential need for replacement and refurbishment of aging install base. We are the industry leader in self-storage offering, purpose-built, diversified, and ever evolving solutions for our customers. With our balance sheet strength, strong cash flow foundation, we will continue expanding our suite of offerings and capabilities while seeking out and delivering a creative shareholder value enhancing opportunities. I look forward to building positive momentum in 2025 and beyond as we drive long-term value creation for all of our stakeholders. Thank you again for joining us. Operator, we can now open the line for Q&A. Question and Answer Session Operator (Operator Instructions) Jeff Hammond, KeyBanc Capital Markets. David Tarantino This is David Tarantino on for Jeff. Maybe just to start on self-storage, could you walk us through your thoughts more specifically on the key changes in the pipeline of projects and kind of break that out between new construction and R3 and how that informs your thoughts on '25. Anselm Wong Sure, great question. I think if you look at it, what we're seeing is, as expected and guided, is that the new construction is while still there is slowing a little, and we're starting to see R3 starting to pick up a little, which is kind of what we normally expect when we see that change in terms of slowdown of new construction. So that's what we're slowly seeing right now. It's not -- new construction is still pretty healthy in terms of what's in there, but that's what we're slowly starting to see now. David Tarantino And maybe just to kind of clear that up, would you expect incremental weakness on the new construction side relative to what we're seeing in 4Q or more of a kind of steady state? Anselm Wong No, that's that we would see still some slowness in (inaudible) construction that's kind of built into our 2025 guide and then again our expectations that we would see R3 starting to grow. Ramey Jackson Yeah, keep in mind that self-storage is local and we continue to see bright spots in certain markets. And then, in addition to that, our go-to-market strategy is focused around the more capitalized customer segments which bodes well for the current climate. David Tarantino Okay, that's helpful. And then maybe could you walk us through the key puts and takes on the margin line, particularly around -- could you give us an update on your expectations for price and maybe on that how -- some color on kind of how tariffs are factored into the outlook. Anselm Wong Sure, so price, I think it's still the same assumption that we've had where on the storage piece of business will be high-single digits. In terms of the storage piece, in terms of price year over year. In terms of tariffs, as you guys know, the way we buy our steel we usually have a six-month lag in terms of when we put the order in to when we get the steel. So if you think about this year, a big chunk of the year is already at prices of steel that were, call it, end of last year, beginning of this year in terms of price point. In terms of tariffs. Look, I think, the steel producers are most likely going to raise their prices. We don't see steel going down. We'll see steel going up, but ultimately, the demand -- the steel price is going to be impacted by the overall demand of steel, so it'll be a wait-and-see in terms of seeing what really happens to that in terms of the actual steel price when it actually happens. Ramey Jackson I think just to add to that, I think the question is how will the domestic mills price their products? Will it be based on true supply and demand? Or will they accelerate the pricing based on the protectionism around the tariffs? So -- but what we do believe is still will not be going down. David Tarantino Okay, great. Thanks, guys. Operator Daniel Moore, CJS Securities. Daniel Moore Maybe -- appreciate the comments around the cadence for H1 and H2 certainly makes sense. Just maybe more granularity. How should we think about kind of revenue and EBITDA for Q1 relative to what we saw in Q4 overall? I think, Anselm, you said margins up a little bit, but just holistically, how should we kind of think about that as the (multiple speakers) -- Anselm Wong Yeah, what we kind of guided is the jump-off point. If you think about if you adjust for the one-timers in Q4, you get about a 19% kind of margin rate. The way we view it is that Q1 will be that is the jump-off point and sequentially increasing throughout the year, as the cost -- benefits come through as well as just volume increases. Daniel Moore Got it. And any comments from a kind of a top line where we using Q4 as a jump-off point? Anselm Wong Yeah, it'll be probably the way we look at it, I think, obviously there was the pent-up demand that we talked about with the delays and that's starting to come through. I think if you look at it into Q1, it'll probably be going back to our normal seasonality. I just want to reminder for this weather and if you look at the weather, I mean, so far in this quarter, you probably see a lot of conditions that don't allow for construction as nicely, so there'll probably be that normal impact that we have some seasonality (inaudible). Daniel Moore Got it. Helpful, and then I guess just maybe one more and I'll jump back to queue, but if you maybe just kind of delineate between -- if you look at the mid-point of the revenue guide how we think about kind of self-storage versus new construction on a year-over-year basis. Sounds like -- I mean, new construction starting to flatten out. We actually see that get back to growth in the back half of the year and then obviously you get good color on R3 versus new construction, so that's helpful. Anselm Wong Yeah. The way you should think about, Dan, is that obviously, first off, the price, the commercial action that we did will impact the absolute dollar amount. So you would see still decline year over year from an absolute dollar point of view. You would see probably what we're thinking about is new construction still slowly declining a little as R3 throughout the year grows again. And then -- but again, impacted by price, so keep that in mind. And then Commercial, which the other component of is that our thoughts are that that's kind of gotten to the bottom. We've got a lot of good growth we're seeing in the rolling steel side of the house. We have the new Mount Erie locations that's helping it grow there, so our expectation is that we'll start seeing Commercial going back to growth as well. Daniel Moore Very helpful. I'll jump back if I have any follow ups. Thanks. Operator John Lovallo, UBS. John Lovallo Thank you for taking my questions as well. Maybe just dovetailing off the last question there in terms of Q1 with the 19% jump-off point and some seasonality. I mean, how are things actually shaking out so far through the quarter? I mean, are you feeling like you're on track pretty consistently with those expectations, or are you expecting a stronger kind of march to kind of catch up? Anselm Wong No, we're on track with the guide we have right now, so that's -- I think everything's moving along as expected, that we see right now. John Lovallo Okay, and then in terms of the buybacks, it seems like the pace may have slowed a bit, I think it looks like maybe 9 million in the fourth quarter versus you know something like 45 million in the third quarter despite the stock being lower. Any reason why you may have backed off a bit there. Anselm Wong It's just that we were just balancing to other uses of cash. Obviously, we still want to do M&A and there's some timing and what we're looking at there, that we just made sure that we had cash for that if it did happen. And then also just relooking at kind of some of those year-end CapEx that we needed for some of our equipment, but that's all it was there, just to balance kind of uses of cash. John Lovallo Got it. And last one from my end, have you guys noticed any changes in the competitive dynamics across your markets? Any new competitors or capacity emerging over the past six months or maybe even 12 months? Ramey Jackson Yeah, good question. There's certainly some smaller competitors that are more impacted by the current situation. Like I mentioned earlier, our go-to-market strategy is more around the capitalized customer segment, and theirs is the opposite, basically the mom-and-pops that are on the sideline right now. So I think we're in a good position to gain a lot of market share in '25. John Lovallo Alright, thanks very much, guys. Operator Phil Ng, Jefferies. Philip Ng Congrats on a strong quarter. The last few quarters you talked about projects being paused on rates. Rates remain still pretty elevated. So just curious to get your update here. What are you seeing from perhaps that customer group? How are backlogs shaping up bidding activity and certainly on the conversion to orders as well? Anselm Wong Great question, Phil. I think what we talked about is, yeah, interest rates are still high and the big thing we were trying to articulate was this the liquidity impact to our customers, so customers that are still well capitalized, they might not be able to do so many concurrent projects at the same time. So we just saw the movement finally of some of those projects that were being held up, because they had finished a project and able to now add another project to it. So I think that's kind of what we started to see in Q4, and rates are obviously still high, so I don't necessarily see that them being able to also add even more projects concurrently than what they can do. Ramey Jackson Yeah, in terms of the backlog, just happy to report that it -- the backlog and the pipeline remains stable, and in addition to that, we're seeing actual growth in in both of those metrics in our international business. Philip Ng Okay, super. I guess a question for Anselm. If I heard you correctly, your expectation is still for, call it, high-single digit price declines for the storage side of things. So if we kind of parse that out, just look at volumes, and I think your volumes were down almost 20% in 3Q, was down like mid-teens and fourth quarter. So when we think about the volume cadence through the year, is it expected to be still pretty negative this first half and then some sort of recovery the back half, Is that how we should think about it? Anselm Wong Yeah, that's what we're seeing right now. We just -- we're still cautious. It's still not the greatest conditions right there. So we're trying to be cautious about what we see. And again, just a reminder, we really took a deep dive, look at all the projects in the pipeline right now in terms of timing and how they'll flow and what we're seeing is project timing is stretching a little more so that's why we would expect to see some decline still in that first half and maybe a little going into Q3. Philip Ng Okay, that's helpful color. And one last one for me, R3 was still pretty weak during the quarter. You kind of alluded to perhaps that seeing growth. I know we've talked about (inaudible), I believe there's an opportunity for a large customer on the rebranding and conversion side of things for a large [re: customer]. Can you give us a little more color on how that's progressing, how that could contribute this year? And then where are conversions? Have you started seeing that bottom and when we look at the '25, is that term positive or it's still kind of pretty soft here? Anselm Wong Yeah, conversions are -- we don't -- it's bottom pretty much. We're not seeing a big increase. There could be some in the back up, but at this point we're not seeing that. R3 work rebranding I think there's going to be more opportunities not just for that one [repeat] because I think the environment is more open to more acquisitions from all the customers. So I think that's where we'll see more R3 rebranding work. John Lovallo Okay, thank you. Operator Thank you. There are no additional questioners at this time. I'd like to now turn it back to our presenters for any closing remarks. Ramey Jackson Okay, thank you, everyone for joining us today. We appreciate your support of Janus International and look forward to updating you on our progress. Have a great day. Operator Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect. View Comments Terms and Privacy Policy Privacy Dashboard More Info Recommended Stories
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